BSL-27 Individual

Senedd Cymru | Welsh Parliament

Bil Aelod Arfaethedig – Mark Isherwood AS | Proposed Member Bill - Mark Isherwood MS

Datblygu'r Bil Iaith Arwyddion Prydain (BSL) (Cymru) | Development of the British Sign Language (BSL) (Wales) Bill

Ymateb gan: Unigolyn | Evidence from: Individual

The need for legislation

The British Sign Language Act 2022 requires the UK Government to issue guidance about the promotion and facilitation of the use of British Sign Language (BSL). This however only applies in England and not to the Welsh Government or public bodies in Wales such as councils or the NHS.  The British Sign Language (BSL) (Wales) Bill aims to place equivalent specific duties on the Welsh Government and public bodies in Wales.

Question 1: Do you think there is a need for this legislation? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes. We have had 20 years of policy after policy which amounts to nothing more than platitudes. Hospitals and a wide range of services still ignore the policies. Policies on their own is not going to work, there needs to be a legal clout to resolve all the barriers that Deaf BSL Signers expereience.

Deaf BSL Signers expereince barriers in the following areas, this list is just a sample and there are more areas to consisder:

- primary school education

- secondary school education

- further education

- university education

- school governors

- parent teacher evening

- hospital ward

- hospital outpatients

- hospital A&E

- hospital theatre

- mater

- GP

- dentist

- opticians

- local forums

- local consultations

- council services

- access to charitable services

- access to private dentists

- access to community classes

- access to health franchises like slim world

- collecting statistics so BSL Signers can contribute

- care homes

- accessing legal services

- accessing financial services

- remote interpreting

Not only do we need legislative support for the above we also need to protect the unique regional variation of BSL that exists in Wales that is in danger of become extinct due to the influence of English regional variations. Also poor teaching influence by the verbal English language is also damaging the integrity of the language also need protection from cultral appriopraition by private enterprise such as makaton that does more harm than good.

Question 2: Do you agree or disagree with the goals that the Bill seeks to achieve? Please provide reasons for your answer.

100 percent yes. It gives BSL Signers a clear voice and stops the access and language being ruined by those who haven't a clue but are arragont enough to say they know best such as traditional social workers who don't move with the times.

British Sign Language

Question 3: Do you agree that the Bill should include proposals to promote and facilitate the use of BSL and its tactile forms?

Yes

Question 4: Do you agree that the Bill should support the various Welsh regional dialects of BSL?

Yes

Question 5: Do you think that the term ‘BSL users’ should be replaced with ‘BSL signers’, recognising that BSL is a language which includes both deaf and hearing signers? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes.

UK Legislation now refers to BSL Signers, so it would be better for consistency. Also you don't say Welsh language users or English language users, you say welsh language speakers or english language speakers, so BSL Signers would be the appropraite equivelent. Also the word users is often associated with drug users etc.

Question 6: Do you think that the term ‘deaf BSL signers’ can be used when referring to BSL users/signers who are medically or audiologically deaf?  Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes.

BSL Signers can be Deaf or Hearing, so there will be a need to differentiate between the two groups. Hearing BSL Signers are priviledged as they can switch between languages when it suits them, but they should also be allowed to sign BSL if they feel more comfortable in the language for example CODA.

Deaf Communities

Question 7: Do you agree or disagree that deaf communities:

a) currently have a voice in the design and delivery of the public services that they use? Please tick the answer that most applies and provide any comments.

Strongly agree.

WE have had over 30 years of tokensim from public services, BSL Signers are fed up of numerous consultations that have produce virtually no difference. Deaf people are fed up of platitutes and want real sustainable cost effective solutions so BSL Signers can have the same basic basic rights as everyone else. BSL signers are fed up of being treated like teh underclass citizens with no rights.

b) should have a formalised voice in the design and delivery of the public services that they use, especially ones targeted at deaf people. Please tick the answer that most applies and provide any comments.

Strongly disagree.

We have had 100 of years of hearing people being arrogant enough to say they know best for deaf people, this is no longer appropriate for the modern era. There are so many underlining issues that hearing people just simply do not understand and continuously providing solutions that just don't work because they just don't understand the complexities that exists.

Question 8: Are there any specific communication methods used by deaf people that you would like the Bill to reference/include?

It should only include BSL or hands on using BSL. It should not inlude reference to SSE or Makaton because they are not languages and beyond the scope of this bill.

Barriers that exist for deaf people

Question 9: What do you believe are the main barriers that currently exist for deaf people and/or their families in the following areas. Please tick all that apply and provide information/examples on each area:

Education; Health; Social Care; Transport; Other Public Services used by deaf people and their families; Workplace.

Church; Funerals; Lawyers; Cancer treatments; Counselling; Families; Local community training; local community councils; local government; arts; museums, the list goes on and on and on. Hearing people take so much for granted. Everytime you use a phone or speak to someone locally BSL Signers are excluded by default and not thought about.

Establishing a BSL Commissioner for Wales

The Bill proposes to establish a BSL Commissioner who would promote and facilitate the use of BSL, and would have the same powers as other minority language Commissioners such as in the Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011.

Question 10: Do you agree or disagree with the proposal to establish a BSL Commissioner for Wales, and, do you have any different suggestions or alternatives? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes

Question 11: The proposed remit of the Commissioner would be to:

§    formulate BSL standards;

§    establish a BSL Advisory Panel;

§    produce reports every 5 years in BSL, Welsh and English on the position of BSL in that period;

§    provide guidance and a process for public bodies to promote and facilitate BSL in their respective domains;

§    establish a procedure for the investigation of complaints.

Do you agree with the proposed remit of the Commissioner, and are there any other provisions you would like to include in the Commissioner’s remit? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Either a BSL Commissioner or a board of BSL Signers that would advise the existing commissioners. If a board is set up then the board must be made up of BSL Signers, it must beable to function in one language.

Question 12: Do you agree that the BSL Commissioner and the BSL Advisory Panel members should be fluent users/signers?

Yes

Question 13: Do you think that the proposed BSL Commissioner and Advisory Panel should prioritise the following. Please tick all that apply and provide reasons for your answer.

Enabling deaf users/signers to lead the development of policies and implementation of services for BSL users/signers; Early years language support for deaf children and their families; Improving BSL provision in education; Access to interpreters in public services.

They are all priorities. All of them are getting worse and in decline and action is needed to reverse this decline.

Question 14: Do you agree or disagree with the proposal to place a duty on the Welsh Government to prepare and publish an annual BSL report? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes.

Currently we have no information on the status of BSL Signers, it is not even collected in the WG stats or in the WFG reports. BSL Signers are ignored and forgotten about unless there is a legal duty.

Question 15: Are there any other issues that you would like to raise about the Bill and the accompanying Explanatory Memorandum?

None.

Question 16: Anything else?

this consultation is a perfect example of why we need the BSL Act. This form is not accessible to the majority of BSL Signers, it was clearly created with out the respect or consideration for the cultural issues that exists. The quesions are osbscure and assumes that BSL Signers have the same cultural acquired knowledge that hearing people expereince from listening to others in the passing on the bus in the workplace and so on. Some of the questions will be impossible for BSL Signers to answer because they don't have the prior knowledge that you have assumed they will have.

I am lucky I am one of the few that have a reasonable standard of English.